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Jordan Peterson & Heather Heying: Identity, Religion, Death



Recorded live on 11 June 2021

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46 comments on “Jordan Peterson & Heather Heying: Identity, Religion, Death

  1. How could the absolutely insane ridiculousness and stupidity of the majority of humans not be the result of some kind of conspiracy? There's just no way that I am the same species as those who see reality so differently than I do otherwise.

  2. I don't always agree with Peterson on several topics but when he speaks about religion, I am in aw. The depth of his reflection on the relationship between religion and psychology is so profound, I can't but admire this man. He is an amazing teacher.

  3. "It's this regressive, backward slide into gender stereotypes that I thought we were free of."
    I'm 60+ and this hits the nail on the head for me. My mom used to have a saying, "they got their smarts educated out of them"

  4. ""Which religion?" is the question isn't it?"

    If people HAVE to have religion (or belief systems)… then do people also HAVE to have religious conflict?

    I find one of the many weirdest things about the woke and their cancel culture, is they say all this shit about standing up for humanity, whatever that means to them… despite the popular aphorism "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"… and ANTIFA even have access to historical records that illustrate this (book burnings)… and they KNOWINGLY attempt to repeat that, despite the harm it has to humanity, which is completely opposite to their whole "we fight for humanity" bs.

  5. We live, we die and death not ends it.
    O great creator of being, grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives
    Let's reinvent the gods, all the myths of the ages
    Celebrate symbols from deep elder forests
    Have you forgotten the lessons of the ancient war?
    ….do you guys know…….we are ruled by….T.V.
    ……jim morrison

  6. 23:13 "We're not blank slates, but we are the blank-est slates of any species on the planet […] When we are born, with the genetics we have on board, we have the most potential of any species on the planet to become anything else."

    That's not a blank slate. That's the total opposite of a blank slate. That's a loaded paint palette.

  7. It takes a village to raise a child – they say in parts of Africa. So much for the standard family being the standard to raise a child. We are all responsible for the children, but we leave it to overburdened parents of which some consider kids their extended territory and don't give a hoot about children as such.

    In general: Being alive is enough an identity for me. The rest is some kind of ornament, some coincidental setting or features, including gender. Nothing to loath, nothing to be proud of.
    Let's get over ourselves.
    The great human potential. To be intelligent in the true sense.

  8. Parents need to speak about CRT. in the school system infrastructure they have the least to lose and the best argument to make that they should have the most say.

  9. Imagine if regular TV could have conversations like this. I have friends who watch TV, like CNN, and think that's the whole story. That's what you get. That's the news and all we need to know. They say things like, "I don't have time to listen to hours of people talking!"

  10. What a dynamic conversation featuring two intellectual power houses. Jordan Peterson is such an interesting man. I don't even think people that disagree with him, could reasonably argue that he isn't fascinating to listen to.

  11. Unrelated but important:

    Here's my request for edit on Wikipedia for Heather's page, if anyone wants to use it as a template for their own request for edit. I used mostly NIH sources since they are considered a "health authority". Just make sure to put your name at the bottom if you do use it:

    Hello,

    According to your policy for administrators to edit wikipedia pages, " Administrators… are expected to observe a high standard of conduct, to use the tools fairly, and never to use them to gain advantage in a dispute." There has been a serious campaign to silence Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying, who are evolutionary biologists, careful thinkers, and look at up to date science and report on the science involving the pandemic from around the world. YouTube has been working with our government ( https://taibbi.substack.com/p/a-case-of-intellectual-capture-on ) to keep Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying from talking about repurposed drugs that seem to work. I realize it sounds improbable, but I've been witnessing it in real time, all the while checking into Bret and Heather's sources as they post/show them. I've found multiple articles from the NIH on the data Bret and Heather are reporting on regarding Ivermectin: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/ ; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/ ; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

    Please delete the sentence saying "Heying and her husband Bret Weinstein have spread misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic on numerous occasions.[3][4]".
    Regarding the spike protein and cytotoxicity [3][4], I refer you to another NIH article calling into question the spike protein, which is a conservative view on the topic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827936/. A quote from another published article: "In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease". This is from the Salk Institute, which links to the actual study in this article: https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/.

    Please also delete the section on Heying's Wikipedia page, "Further information: COVID-19 misinformation
    Both Heying and Weinstein have said that they have taken ivermectin to guard against COVID-19 and that they not been vaccinated because of their "fears" about COVID-19 vaccines. Heying compared the use of ivermectin for this purpose to taking anti-malarial drugs.[20] There is no good evidence of benefit from ivermectin in preventing or treating COVID-19.[21][22]"
    You may keep the part saying, "On January 29, 2021 Heying appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher along with Weinstein, presenting the "Lab Leak" hypothesis around the origins of SARS-CoV-2.[19]", as it is true.
    For this deletion request, I refer you to the initial NIH articles regarding Ivermectin's potential efficacy above. For convenience, here they are again: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/ ; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/ ; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/. To be clear, I am not asking for a replacement at this time. Please simply delete these sections and work with Heather Heying on what to replace them with. I am sure she will be more than fair in describing herself for others to see.

    In the future, I would strongly encourage all the administrators from Wikipedia to look for data from medical journals regarding COVID-19, not news media. When reading medical journals, always be sure to check the conflicts of interest sections, financial disclosures, and the comments, if any. These sections in a medical journal are a secondary source of scrutiny on medical journals and their robustness of methodology and accuracy of reporting data.

    Thank you,

  12. Just incase no one has given the proper quote yet, at about minute 28, here it is off the top of my head…
    “If you don’t believe in God, you don’t believe in ‘nothing’, you’ll believe in anything!”

    GK Chesterton

    Not a perfect rendition, but close

  13. 1:51:55 Even wolves eat berries. Maybe Jordans body craves a micronutrient it previously found in strawberries. Experimenting with a single strawberry might be advisable. Chocolate cravings I have found can be eliminated with Magnesium salt.

  14. Ok , so coming from where I do and being who I am, I could easily slam on the Liberal Est. bullshit but to be principled I feel that some bullshit coming from the Right need be also highlighted.
    The question of How do we slow the slide into madness and disarray? Pretty simple answer , although in practice not so easy. It starts with grabbing the faux Left and faux Right disingenuous hypocrites by the collar and shutting them the fuck down. Here is an Example of the hypocrisy I have personally seen having been born and raised in the deep south. Self proclaimed conservatives losing their shit over CRT in schools because they oppose what they see as a flawed theory and fake history pushed by ideology that could do great harm to the children. Whats wrong with that? Nothing wrong with what I just laid out…EXCEPT!! when the majority of those same voices I have personally heard and seen oppose CRT on this basis, many of those are the same goddamn people who have in the past pushed in their righteous indignation that "History" should not be taught in a straight forward manner but rather it should be taught in a way that focuses on how "exceptional" america is and it should be taught in a way actively downplays "past mistakes we already know all about". These people are the same people who have tirelessly lobbied for and demanded that "Evolutionary Creation" be taught in PUBLIC schools.
    Now having engaged in those things in the past should not mute their concerns but not shockingly in staying true to their form when I brought up that they should be ready to address what might rightfully be questioned as being hypocritical or at least having a double standard…Ohhh noo. Not up for that discussion. I was literally told "Oh . well thank you for showing your true colors. It is apparent where you place your loyalty".
    Regardless of political ideology, when it comes to this intellectually infantile partisan bullshit , fuck tolerance , people need to start shutting it the fuck down whenever it raises its voice.

  15. An intellectual tennis match at championship level. Two high level thinkers who manage to speak in a way even those not as familiar with all the references. They do not speak down to their audience.

  16. "Find out what made-up invisible God or glorified religious figure a person has been fooled & indoctrinated to consider sacred & if you follow the sacredness you will find a ring of motivated ignorance, intellectual dishonesty & dogma as well as a constant urge to play mental acrobats to defend the sacredness."

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